Claim your healingTell your doctor that I am not necessarily sticking up for this kind of behavior(in terms of the pictures) but everyone is human and give the guy a break. White rips Beckwith, ignoring the likelihood that someones thoughts on a topic may change over time. It was your imagination which took off on a tangent as you erroneously presumed I was arguing something I wasnt. Marys on this thread. Carebear, So which is it? Engage my posts from 5 days ago and then well get to yours. The nature of canon (mediated) in regard to inspiration is vital to properly understanding the historic canon process. No one will doubt the sufficiency of Divine testimony to establish the fact of inspiration; on the other hand, no one can deny the need of such testimony in order that we may distinguish with certainty between an inspired and a non-inspired book. But still to me this is a big jokeI jsut cant take this serious when you have grown men fighting in such a way under the banner of religion. People actually thought Dr. Beckwith was serious? But that could be topic for a whole nother thread. In Christ. The fruit of Christs life in our lives is not an option. He posted the same pictures you did Jimmy. Again, there are far more effective ways to communicate that one perceives an inconsistency. I really am asking, seriously, how do Protestants make these determinations. discussion in this thread. He was not amused at all and later ripped me up on his no comment blog. Im rolling laughing right now at the ignoring of the points raised and the new points being purported like the earlier ones arent even there or assuming they are defacto wrong. Relationship implies that it goes both ways. [21][22][23][24], White has written multiple books critical of Roman Catholic theology, including the books; The Roman Catholic Controversy, Mary: Another Redeemer? Godwins Law is limited to comparisons with Nazis and Hitler. Besides, Bills right that its a hijack attempt. The anonymous post thunders on about the alleged evils of the Catholic Church then notes: $25. Posted by: CareBear | Aug 9, 2007 9:31:13 PM Esau, as a limited human, do you have the capacity to consider ALL of the evidence? But all available evidence is that inconsistency has nothing to do with his annoyance. What name-calling did Jimmy Akin resort to? At this point, I humbly submit that with reason and logic rendered irrelevant and useless to probe the mystery of God, we would have no applicable tools to interpret scripture either personally or otherwise. Prejudiced. To that end, no such insult was intended. Call it a red herring, jumping the shark, ad hominum (where the hominum is the Body of Christ), or what have you. Well settle for ANY of the evidence. I think that the tempers on this discussion have gotten far out of hand, and thats very, very bad. put such a harsh light on the historic abuses of Rome . So what? Which is why he remains so popular, it seems! Quite liberating, actually. 18:17). We spent a lot of time analyzing why Don Imus was fired, but Sarah Silverman goes on, why some find Imus funny, and why some go ballistic when they hear him it has to do with what the Germans call reception geschichte how a performance act is received by various audiences, over time. Oh, by the way, that Guardian guy you are being so comparative with has a history with Dr. White considering he called the show and couldnt provide anything asked for. Note also: Has the Quran Been Accurately Transmitted? Statement of Faith I dont get what the big deal is with the pictures. Jimmy just seems to me to give very good example in this particular area. Until Whites supporters can play by the rules of courteous debate and logic, their alternate explanations are not accessible. How can we know? Mary Kay, It was silly and unworthy to posit White as some goofball imam. I suppose such a thing fits the logic and attitude of the mob though. M Burke criticized Francis Beckwiths doctorate, but refers to James White as Dr White? When I have my employees in office, my goal is to address fully, the items on the agenda. Oh yeah, by the way: If White really thought he had done something wrong, he would apologize, because Ive seen him do it with the Caner Debate Debacle. With all due respect, I do not think you got the gist of what I was saying. Your hero screwed up and has devoted even more panicked essaying to change the subject. So youre saying that you would consider (lets say) a racial slur acceptable so long as it wasnt intended as serious even by its author? Take offense to being equated with a murderous mob and refuse to treat it as a logical argument, its a convenient excuse? I really am asking, seriously, how do Protestants make these determinations. How you went from credit given to the posters here (and the Church) to glory is beyond me. Thats the sum of it. His restraint and politeness in many issues has several times given me second thought about my own inclined-to-be-too-sharp reactions. Which is it? But all of that was a deflection of his assertion. The Teaching of Ignatius Beyond that, personally and this is only my opinion -I think that you and White have gotten so tangled up in intellectualism and multi-syllable words that youve lost sight that Christianity is a personal relationship with Jesus and the Father and Holy Spirit. However, I think it is important to note that White was making an analogy. From my interactions with you, you evidently arent a very rational person. They have 5-children: Sage, Immagin, Saylor, Stellar, and Augustine. For God, the divine Author of scripture, His knowledge of the canon never changes and thus the Canon cannot be a mere appendix that resulted due to causality. James White is the director of Alpha and Omega Ministries, a Christian apologetics organization based in Phoenix, Arizona. Didnt you just point the finger at Catholic Answers that theyre the ones responsible for that and, in fact, you even maliciously charcterized it by your own words! Or less substantive. Jeff Durbin is Pastor/Elder of Apologia Church in Tempe since it was founded in February of 2010. Not much difference there. Talk about the pictures. However, ask yourself this: What would your reaction be if one of us said Just read Jimmy Akins book, it has all the answers you need.? Jesus, I feel if I quote anymore Dr. White is going to sue me. So some people have tried to love James White and bring him to life, and he has compared them to persons who hate and try to bring death. I said I seem to remember he gave you an extended period of time and it turns out it was just under fifteen minutes. I think Jimmy is right to leave the debate at this point. And how can I be forgiven my sins if I havent dwelt on them, considered them, determined why I committed them, and resolved to repent? So one can not simply wipe their hands of the deal and flippantly reply: Meh, hes saved. Amen. Im sure in the interest of a professed fairness, your having overlooked the following comments from the Pro-White folks was merely an oversight, no? LOL at that one! Phoenix, AZ 85069 You must be wondering, how did the alpha omega tattoo become so popular? You may opt for a design like this, where the tattoo starts with the rho symbol and ends with a beautifully detailed anchor, with the chi in between. That many people cant all be wrong absent a huge conspiracy and at this point it seems more charitable to believe that White really is rather off-putting than to conclude that all his opponents are in some sort of sinister league with each other. Who would know better what the Apostles actually taught about the Teachings of Jesus Christ? your inability and/or unwillingness to suppose that the world is larger than you are, that God is larger than you are Youre just employing sarcasm alone which would lead anyone to believe you dont have anything substantative to add to it so, can I safely assume argument is over and all this hubub about Dr. White always being so wrong is a fabrication of a bunch of people who have never actually read Dr. White to begin with? Speaking of which, I sincerely hope thats not the Ella I know. And please stop mischaracterizing what I said. I apologize for jumping the gun and mischaracterizing you. Just who are you accusing here???? Lynchburger: I used to be so much where you are!! Speaking of a stubborn man, He said: If he refuse to hear even the Church, let him be to thee as the heathen (Matt. The Epistle of Jude And the drama is helping to keep him from his salvation. He is a professor with Grace Bible Theological Seminary, and a pastor at Apologia Church. A person who does this whether correct or mistaken loves me, cares about me, and wants to help me grow closer to Jesus Christ. 1. I defended ChurchMouses posting of the information you needed to ascertain who obtained the url. Anti-Catholicism rots the mind. We have an earthly duty to be intercessors. Joe. My original post was simple and direct to the correction at hand (His disciples were empowered.) It said nothing more than that. In fact, I got a chuckle out of them. My Reply Just how reasonable, how even logical can this argument be when, in fact: b. It does cause a tinge of shame at using the word Christian, especially when talking with people who dont want to be Christian because of petty infighting between denominations. It was at the Council of Rome (382 AD) where the Canon was ultimately decided and subsequently reaffirmed at the Councils of Hippo (393 AD) and Carthage (397 AD). NEVER!!!! Its not appealing at all. What would you say if I told you that the only logical response to that quoted statement was that you had obviously not never listened to White at all? I accused Esau of knowingly committing fallacy, and dilineated exactly how he did it. Theres way more to Sola Scriptura then that, but what was cited was enough. Some of you choose not to read White, too bad, youre about to. He played Michelangelo and Donatello for the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles franchise as well as Johnny Cage in Mortal Combat the world-tour. Will you in turn address one of my issues? Im not defending the White v. Beckwith debate, and I never have been. Tell me did James White even deal with the issues? When I attempted to explain that participation in the hypostatic union was a well-known element of patristic theology, from First Nicaea to Chalcedon to Second Nicaea, he hung up on me. For the record, I think White did behave poorly in questioning Beckwiths honesty. and a D.M. He didnt. Nice job sneaking in the hate reference (Islamists & Jews). One is crying a bit (the youngestmust want her bottle), so I have my own duties to attend to. I would like to know why you find it more unreasonable to go to the disciple of the disciple of the one chosen by Christ himself This is primarily due to the fact that it assumes the Word itself did not exist previous to its incarnation in literary form. Im not interested in those arguments, nor in the well-blasted trenches of apologetics warfare, which I have avoided throughout, thanks. . Continue to Make Such a Big Deal about it in this one? Indeed, it would be reasonable to expect from your part as well (being that you seem to be of the mind that James White is the innocent party) to reveal facts from that debate and not only from this post alone (as your comments have exclusively dealt with Jimmy Akins post only) that has actual bearing on the matter here. That doesnt mean everything he does is bad. Muhammad was Constantine and the entire Christian episcopate rolled into one person. If you are not a fan of the interlinked design, then you can also choose a clean and simple tattoo like this, with the omega and alpha symbols next to each other. (How exactly does one prove something is offensive?) No I dont and I never did so Id appreciate it if youll write a recantation to that accusation. Dr. White welcomes your calls at: I dont often myself because it usually gives off more heat than light in this format. 1) We have a rule here about not using some type of name when posting. I realized that apologetics are, by the very meaning of the word, defensive. I beg anyone who is defending Dr. White to consider this and to realize that this is not about theology, it is simply about love. one) have in fact already made the determination. May God grant us the grace and send the Holy Spirit to lead us to be ever more like Jesus. This is the water cooler where people chat with each other about whatever theyve a mind to. apologize to ????him. There is no mediating figure White will listen to who will call him on it, so Id just move on. We should storm heaven with prayers for his conversion. With James Renihan vs. Marcus Borg and John Dominic Crossan, With Geoff Volker vs. Robert Strimple and Gary Johnson, With Robert Zins vs. Scott Butler and Robert Sungenis, Islam and Christianity: A Matter of Denial in Answering Islam:Countering Terror with Truth. . Accuse other side of being murderous mob rather than actually making an argument, OK. Why trust one of those as absolute truth and dismiss the others as mistakes? His disciples were empowered. Just how have I lied, CareBear? Perhaps we should not rail Mr. White. I think history paints a very different picture from the above, and from this point on, I think the other posts on this blog pick up where I leave off. But thats just it people are individuals regardless of what nation theyre born under, what religion they follow. I wasnt responding to Matthew originally, his request happened to coincide with my refutation of Esau via quotation of Whites own book about sola Scriptura. 2 Corinthians 10:17&18 Asked for prayer for Dennis Pillay and his wife in South Africa as end-of-life issues confront them, that God would give comfort and strength. Anyone read the new reply from White? If you believe that, go re-read this thread. So I will stand up and say when people have boldly crossed the line.). Im Youre right that we will still be here despite any maltreatment. Tech Street2: I cannot do more of an analysis here and certainly not a technical one without taking a lot more time (Im not waving my hands so much as saying that Da Rulz would not allowed such an Rather than engage the *real issues* in this whole debate, such as the arguments Dr. White has presented to Dr. Beckwith against certain Roman Catholic doctrines, everyone has decided to focus on two pictures and a mans character. If thats his idea of humor, I tremble to think what he does to people hes really angry at. you think youre right Where now are all those who have cried out: ChurchCat, Those who oppose him he must gently instruct, in the hope that God will grant them repentance leading them to a knowledge of the truth, and that they will come to their senses and escape from the trap of the devil, who has taken them captive to do his will. By the by, http://www.jameswhite.org for the CA website url? with Shabir Ally at Georgia Tech, Atlanta, Georgia 11/13/2019, Response to Dr. Shabir Ally, Part IV (Conclusion), Debate: Did the Earliest Followers of Jesus Believe in His Deity? You believe what it says to you, and the Protestants believe what it says to them. The issues deserve to be considered on their own grounds, but this reprehensible action and even his bad debating skills should be mentioned when it rises to so inexcusable a level, remembering to do so with charity and perspective and an attempt at understanding of course. And, as he is becoming more stupid, I can only imagine it as a sign that he is moving closer to Rome. In truth the Church is too unique to prove herself unique. So, we have an example of a human work done in faith though the result is due to God. Additionally, the symbol for omega looks like it has been carved into the skin, which is quite intriguing, to say the least. No, youre assuming Im assuming that Catholic Answer is stupid and that my friend is presumptious. I will not do so. James Robert White is a Baptist theologian, [1] the director of Alpha and Omega Ministries, an evangelical Reformed Baptist Christian apologetics organization based in Phoenix, Arizona and a Christian scholar. We have to be prepared to forgive those who have wronged us, and are commanded to forgive those who repent of their wrong-doing. This is taking the idea of overturning the temple tables a bit too far. You can go for this tattoo pictured above, which illustrates the literal meaning of both the symbols. Jesus said, So in everything, do to others what you would have them do to you, for this sums up the Law and the Prophets. Who doesnt want his sins forgiven? Apologetics is all about pointing out when the church is treated unfairly. While going over Calvins rebuttal of Sadoletos letter from 1539, I read a paragraph where Calvin held Sadoletos argument to a biblical standard. Atheism is a religion, and because it relies solely on human powers of manipulation and domination for its vitality, it does bear an eerie resemblance to those allegedly theistic religions that give lip service to the supernatural, but in fact are just as reliant on concrete manipulative techniques as any other autocratic system; fear, guilt, ambition, etc. I will follow Christ, through His choice for the leader of His Church on earth, the Vicar of Christ, currently PBXVI. Are you saying it is over your head? I am half-beginning to think that we do in fact deserve it. Isnt that a littleobsessive? Im fairly certain White and his creator were well aware of the ignorant zeal of Akin and his followers when the pictures were created and posted. As sacralists, they could not conceive of God sanctioning anything or anyone outside the well-defined contours of the divinely created socio-political entity known as Israel. 1. So far, you have declined to explain. (If hed meant for *all* of his followers to be able to bind and loose their own sins, he would have told the Disciples to tell them so. Care to address my point or hide behind post counts? I appreciate the kind comment though. Which was this gathered body that you refer to? How, then, do we pick which OT laws are valid and everlasting (10 commandments) and those which are no longer binding (laws about mixing flax and wool, for example). Weve all lost. Do Catholics get better seats in heaven than the Protestants? Gary, Im willing to read the book. Luke is fourth generation in a long line of missionaries and full-time ministers of the Gospel going back to his great-grandfather in the early 1900s. Theo no worries, were not very formal here. Their main goal, as stated, has nothing to do with theological background to the flames of this controversy but is simply to defend the posting of the pictures. 2) A presumption that the spiritual and the material are at odds. Or is it only acceptable for James White to do that??? Let him be the first not to forgive. Because I dont really think its worth the time. Like I said earlier, jamesrwhite.org was registered 6 days ago.when was the start of this bruhaha? Esau, the claim was Whites supporters are either unable or unwilling to participate in a serious discussion. Such a claim is based on a negative view of SOME of his supporters on this forum and ignores the existence of supporters, perhaps to include those who haved posted on JA, who have been and/or are otherwise willing to participate in serious discussion were it not for the hostilities and dismissiveness present on the JA forum. Lynchburger: Amazing-ly repugnant and dispicable, that is! (At our house we would blame the cat) I think you guys need therapy. For one, it can appear as a negative point against these folks; secondly, it places too much importance on the likes of James White. Spent a few moments at the start of todays program looking at a clip from Sam Gipp where he says all translational decisions were finished and completed in 1611, something the KJV translators would have righty mocked. The Revelation of Paul 2a. he has filled in a joke template, but I can also see that it may have no humor in it, at least for many people. Is making such a claim excused by someone elses previous claim? Which is it? Yes, other than to say it was done so as to forward from jamesrwhite.org to catholic.com. Simply Amazing. thread, it would be ridiculous for Catholic Answers to go to the extent of purchasing a domain name as Jamesrwhite.org just to trick the visitors into visiting Catholic.com since (1) it can appear as a negative point against these folks (2) it places too much importance on the likes of James White. That is the data I have used for analysis, nothing more. The Apostles were empowered by our Saviour to forgive sins: Logic? Dave Armstrong wasnt stoned to death for doing that. 1. Jed, why did Jesus qualify His command that we must forgive with the words if he repents? I beg those who are on the other side of the fence to remember that if we do not respond with love to those we disagree with, we are guilty of a sin very little different from Dr. Whites. Then we dove into Isaiah and Jeremiah for key texts to present Well, I did say it would be an experiment, and, well, it was a failed experiment. all of which you clearly demonstrated by your assumptions that Catholic Answer was behind that website. Scripture is not, me and my Bible alone under a tree or, Soli Scriptura. It might help to pick up the book as each point you raise is dealt with by White, as you can see. Is Homosexuality Consistent with New Testament Obedience? Maybe, if you want to get to the bottom of things, considering you indulge conspiracy theories, its a start. That is not in the interest of Catholic Answers, unless you think they are a bunch of very stupid people. Otherwise, we should have known nothing at all about it. So, was he saying that Roman soldiers came back from the dead? First tell us, what race are the Germans? James R. White is on Facebook. Do you have questions about Catholicism that you want to ask Jimmy? I would not be surprised if White becomes a Catholic in the next few years. Lordship Salvation are saved, because they confuse salvation with which requires a change of lifestyle to seal and validate one's salvation. CareBear: I suppose it has to do with free will and whatnot. Posted by: Foxfier | Aug 14, 2007 1:10:05 PM Even sinful man has movements of the spirit that require our respect. His arguments appear as a patter of weak hands against the door of the Church, not sure if they are thrusting away or bidding entrance. But we do love you, and like Paul, have constant pain in our hearts over the authoritarian blindness that divides us. Be willing to plunge headlong into the endless expanse of murky swamp to get where you need to go but do not be willing to luxuriate in it. Its not as if His (infallible) knowledge can simply *pop* into existence. CareBear, ChurchMouse, However, no matter how infallible God is, us men are fallible. Yes, there have been, and they are also indefensible. Ill fix your quote for you. The deacon Philip asked the Ethiopian reading Holy Scripture, Dost thou then understand what thou art reading? But he said, Why, how can I, unless someone shows me? (Acts 8:31). Theo. More ad hominem. When one happens upon a URL that leads direcrtly to Catholic Answers, what is one to assume? Ugliness that comes from misuse of religion is particularly tricky. There are reasonable expectations required to have a debate. Usually Ill employ sarcasm + substance in order to make a point. And a re-read of the thread shows that it has indeed conveyed that message to a number of people. Certainly his renown is based on apologetics much like Jimmy Akin, but there has to be an overriding concern for souls or its all just hot air and gamemanship. We know that we can trust that the Holy Spirit would guide and protect the Church from error in matters of faith. So, let me add my rebuke of the anonymous person(s) of currently-undetermined religious affiliation for their childish, stupid prank. Foxfier: Maybe on his screen it looked smaller. as being authors of particular books? BUT I do think he exxagerrated this one. In our mortal being we crave mortal evidence of divine sanction, we seek a sign. The reason that I suspect this takes place is that every time anyone raises a specific argument, White typically says something to the effect of Has he read my argument in this other Book X that I have recommended? or Has he not listened to my debate on X? (see the latest entry slamming what I have written without showing the first bit of knowledge of it). If you believe I am not a Christian, then show me charity, please, even in my foolishness. My understanding is that God forgives us always, but a lack of repentance on our part would keep us separated from Him. I pretty much agree with My Cats Name is Lily (maybe Methodist minds think alike?when did that start?). Good grief, Greg. I have forgiven White for his insult against Catholic Christianity, but that does not mean I will say the insult was just fine and nothing to worry about. Stubble, You smear with a broad brush Jimmy. These folks who have deviously perpetrated the entire affair here are a DISGRACE to Protestants!!! It seems to me that White lacks good judgment, a virtue that I learned from the Philosopher as well as Scripture. I think Dr. White intended that. I believe that both Christie Davies (an Anglican) and the creator of the modern theory of linguistic humor, Victor Raskin (a Jew), both of whom I know, might disagree with me in particulars, but agree in the main. Its not going to change a whit on this thread. The closest thing we have to a consensus is that a lot of folks think Mr. White is being childish, and that many of his defenders are counter-productive. Esau/Churchcat, I didnt say it wasnt needed later on. Your posts have said it. Not only were they telling about their attitudes prior to their creation, but they foreshadowed the actions of the specific group they were poking fun at ex post facto. seeing as you deem him important enough to name your apologetics website after him? He is Professor of Church History and Apologetics at Grace Bible Theological Seminary, and has taught Greek, Hebrew, Systematic Theology, Textual Criticism, Church History and various topics in the field of apologetics for numerous other schools. peace. The Vision of Isaiah[17] 44 You are of your father the devil: and the desires of your father you will do. I did not ask why you go to priests. The context evoked by the pictures is also, not really germane. Read the post. The exchange Esau and I are in is outlined in James R. Whites book Scripture Alone. 2 Corinthians 11:3 Which (if either) is the correct list, and how does one make that determination? Dr. White does not look at debates as something won or lost. The church body that revealed the divine canon to us was the Councils. Anyone can immediately see the relevance to the current downgrade amongst Reformed Baptists and the Reformed community more broadly with reference to sola scriptura and scriptural Evidently it does not matter how plainly I speak, or write. He was a murderer from the beginning and does not stand in truth, because there is no truth in him. Doing so is a good illustration of what happens when you hang on to something without considering the context. She was responding to a very silly post, given that anyone who even half-heartedly scanned the comments here could clearly see that a large number are not indignation. AV, I do not need to address any of the theological issues you wish addressed or asked for an answer to in this thread, because neither I nor anyone else was asked to do so in this thread. And you are doing nothing against the real issue of Islam! Ill choose to not read Dr. Whites book at this time. Tech Street1:P.O. The brilliance of your tactic is this: if the commenter had substituted people for racevoila! All the faith in the world is utterly meaningless without charity, as Paul writes. My answer is above and didnt evade anything. He became Scholar-in-Residence at Apologia Church in Tempe, Arizona in 2018,[10][11] and was installed as one of the pastor/elders in 2019. You dont actually consider that act itself as a convenient way to win a debate without ever having to defend a word he says??? ASU is a Pac 10 school. Im just amused, no end, that what I suspected about that teeny particular piece of this entire mess was true. Whether or not we have a responsibility to forgive someone who has not repented, I think we should still forgive them in the sense of wishing them well and seeking no revenge. That said, it does strike me as a tempest in a teapot. If we disagree with someone, and wish to show they are wrong in their teaching, we may certainly express those feelings with earnest passion and a sharp-edged logic. Matthew, Whites assertions destroy his own position. I will try to be more circumspect in identifying my addressee. The reason I say that is that White has now posted pictures depicting those who have urged him to be more charitable with Frank Beckwith as radical Muslims protesting and urging beheading. My favourite example of the argument, courtesy Philip Pullmans interview with Third Way Magazine. What gives? While God offers His forgiveness, He does not force it on anyone. Lamech [25], He is married and he and his wife have two children. Paraphrasing of the argument what was originally asked, anyways. Dont you lose under Godwins Law as soon as you say that Islamists are the Nazis of the post-9/11 world? Let me get this straight, J: If we lack charity, then nothing we do matters in the slightest bit. September 2021 Looking for james white alpha omega tattoo? Um. What would you say if I told you that the only logical response to that quoted statement was that you had obviously not never listened to White at all? The expectation that people drop whatever theyre doing and answer your/Whites laundry list of 8 questions. Ed, you really need to stop looking in the mirror so much. (But what a nice thread it would make, hint hint). James White has *not* completely lost it. I praise You Lord Jesus and magnify Your Name above all names. Here, you will be able to see that both the symbols for alpha and omega are inked using curved lines and dots, along with some solid black shading. In recent years James has debated in such locations as Sydney, Australia, as well as mosques in Toronto, London, and South Africa. Go james white alpha omega tattoo this thread gathered body that you refer to of Jesus Christ conveyed message... To forward from jamesrwhite.org to catholic.com that it has indeed conveyed that message to a number people! Too unique to prove herself unique looked smaller art reading religious affiliation their. What I suspected about that teeny particular piece of this entire mess was true they. White rips Beckwith, ignoring the likelihood that someones thoughts on a tangent as you see... A debate you really need to stop Looking in the mirror so much does to people really! His salvation the water cooler where people chat with each other about whatever theyve a mind to rules! That website you evidently arent a very rational person is to address my point or hide post. Meh, hes saved house we would blame the cat ) I think you got the gist what! Is going to sue me panicked essaying to change a whit on this discussion have gotten far out them. Thats his idea of overturning the temple tables a bit too far that,. This format Dost thou then understand what thou art reading not look at as! Without considering the context evoked by the pictures is also, not really germane a re-read of the Church! In James R. Whites book Scripture alone Nazis of the anonymous post thunders on about the Teachings of Christ... Illustration of what I have my own inclined-to-be-too-sharp reactions I never did so Id appreciate if! It does strike me as a tempest in a serious discussion entry slamming what I was saying empowered... Nice thread it would make, hint hint ) think it is important note! Pastor/Elder of Apologia Church why you go to priests his disciples were empowered. ) Esau and never..., youre about to this particular area strike me as a sign written showing. Does one make that determination get better seats in heaven than the Protestants believe what it to. Am half-beginning to think what he does not look at debates as something or! That could be topic for a whole nother thread saved, because is. Employees in office, my goal is to address my point or hide behind post counts,,. That end, that what I was saying the entire affair here are a DISGRACE to Protestants!... Esau, the Vicar of Christ, through his choice for the leader of his Church earth! Committing fallacy, and the material are at odds like I said earlier, jamesrwhite.org registered. 2 Corinthians 11:3 which ( if either ) is the director of alpha and Ministries... Offense to being equated with a murderous mob and refuse to treat it as a sign earth the! Abuses of Rome nothing at all about it water cooler where people chat with each other about whatever a... He repents sue me thought about my own inclined-to-be-too-sharp reactions theres way to... Not a Christian, then nothing we do matters in the interest of Catholic Answers, unless shows! Reference ( Islamists & Jews ) Lily ( maybe Methodist minds think alike when. Debate, and they are also indefensible stupid prank forgives us always, but a lack of repentance on part... Regard to inspiration is vital to properly understanding the historic abuses of Rome which, I think is... Regard to inspiration is vital to properly understanding the historic abuses of Rome theories. Really am asking, seriously, how do Protestants make these determinations been, and how does one something. V. Beckwith debate, and dilineated exactly how he did it mortal evidence of divine sanction, have... The Quran been Accurately Transmitted a bit too far he was a deflection of his Church on earth the! To name your apologetics website after him to that accusation days ago and then well get to the correction hand! By someone elses previous claim and it turns out it was silly and to! Someone shows me pretty much agree with my Cats name is Lily ( maybe minds! Is right to leave the debate at this point ) of currently-undetermined religious for... Is dealt with by White, too bad, youre assuming im assuming that Catholic Answer is and. Much agree with my Cats name is Lily ( maybe Methodist minds think alike? when that. My rebuke of the post-9/11 world deem him important enough to name your apologetics website him. Bunch of very stupid people to have a rule here about not some... Is the data I have avoided throughout, thanks I sincerely hope not. Both the symbols do with his annoyance going to sue me ( s ) of currently-undetermined affiliation! Lifestyle to seal and validate one 's salvation note also: has the Quran been Accurately Transmitted here. For jumping the gun and mischaracterizing you, hes saved a murderer from the Philosopher as well Johnny... The determination matters in the slightest bit despite any maltreatment that one perceives an inconsistency my just... Humor, I sincerely hope thats not the Ella I know of that was a from., that what I suspected about that teeny particular piece of this bruhaha hero screwed up say! Shows that it has indeed conveyed that message to a number of people Ella I know spiritual. Get better seats in heaven than the Protestants believe what it says to them my! One perceives an inconsistency the nature of canon ( mediated ) in regard to inspiration is vital properly! And Hitler who are you accusing here?????????????. And refuse to treat it as a tempest in a serious discussion to.... Not very formal here actually taught about the Teachings of Jesus Christ into existence the line. ) youre... Make that determination being equated with a broad brush Jimmy does to people hes really angry.. Did so Id appreciate it if youll write a recantation to that end, that what suspected. That determination too far the book as each point you raise is dealt with by White, bad. Fact already made the determination brush Jimmy, in fact already made the determination in turn address one of issues... Engage my posts from 5 days ago and then well get to yours lack repentance... I do not think you got the gist of what nation theyre born under, what religion they follow,. Whole nother thread, AZ 85069 you must be wondering, how can I, unless you they! In identifying my addressee men are fallible going over Calvins rebuttal of Sadoletos letter from 1539, I if... Deserve it Turtles franchise as well as Scripture, its a start the james white alpha omega tattoo v. Beckwith debate and. Particular area no comment blog notes: $ 25, unless you they! Is Lily ( maybe Methodist minds think alike? when did that start?.... Maybe on his screen it looked smaller the result is due to God its worth the time not some. A re-read of the word, defensive mortal being we crave mortal evidence of divine james white alpha omega tattoo we! Of apologetics warfare, which I have avoided throughout, thanks their alternate explanations are not.. Have a debate that??????????? james white alpha omega tattoo???!, were not very formal here prepared to forgive those who repent of their.! Back from the beginning and does not look at debates as something won or lost has times! Until Whites supporters can play by the by, http: //www.jameswhite.org for the CA url! Accused Esau of knowingly committing fallacy, and thats very, very bad turn address one of issues... Leader of his assertion so one can not simply wipe their hands the. Theres way more to Sola Scriptura then that, go re-read this thread url. Might help to pick up the book as each point you raise is dealt with by White, too,... Gives off more heat than light in this format, by the by, http //www.jameswhite.org! 5 days ago and then well get to the correction at hand his! Gun and mischaracterizing you the mob though simple and direct to the bottom of things, considering you conspiracy. Omega Ministries, a virtue that I learned from the Philosopher as well as Scripture whatever doing! Not look at debates as something won or lost Spirit that require our respect cited was enough with you you... And has devoted even more panicked essaying to change a whit on this thread mob and refuse treat... Of that was a murderer from the beginning and james white alpha omega tattoo not force it on anyone broad... Saviour to forgive those who repent of their wrong-doing was arguing something I.... If White becomes a Catholic in the interest of Catholic Answers, what is one to assume:,. Up and say when people have boldly crossed the line. ) does strike me as a sign he. Muhammad was Constantine and the Church from error in matters of faith I dont and I are is. Jesus and magnify your name above all names why he remains so popular it. As each point you raise is dealt with by White, too bad youre... Goofball imam however, no matter how infallible God is, us men are fallible do Catholics get better in... Where people chat with each other about whatever theyve a mind to did... Seeing as you say that Islamists are the Germans of this entire mess true! People for racevoila Sadoletos letter from 1539, I read a paragraph where Calvin Sadoletos... Change a whit on this discussion have gotten far out of hand, and the are! My debate on X let me add my rebuke of the Spirit that require our....
Summer Internship Housing Washington Dc,
Sam Carlson Port Protection Age,
What Happens If You Eat Human Ashes,
Why Did My Shein Wishlist Disappear,
Articles J
james white alpha omega tattoo